lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-19 13:35:35

PZTV 英语败家讲坛: Basic grammar

A lots of softwares are available. But only less than ten are quit useful.

这两句话有错吗?


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ahbird 发表于 2013-7-19 13:41:17

本帖最后由 ahbird 于 2013-7-19 13:44 编辑

是不是应该这样写:

A lot of softwares are available.
or
Lots of softwares are available.

Only less than ten of them are quite useful.

tempax 发表于 2013-7-19 13:50:24

没有语法错误, 只有拼写错误.
能把quite拼写成quit, 当然也能把lot拼写成lots.
唯一的区别是: 一个漏了个字母, 一个多了个字母.

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-20 00:50:57

tempax 发表于 2013-7-19 13:50 static/image/common/back.gif
没有语法错误, 只有拼写错误.
能把quite拼写成quit, 当然也能把lot拼写成lots.
唯一的区别是: 一个漏了个 ...

quit是我的typo.
software does not have plural form. Never add \'s\'. But I think \"lot of software\" means lot of software products. So it is ok to use \"are\" instead of \'\"is\"
根据大家的纠错,我改成了
A lot of software are available. But only less than ten are quite useful.
但第二句还不是我想要的。

tempax 发表于 2013-7-20 10:04:59

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-20 00:50 static/image/common/back.gif
quit是我的typo.
software does not have plural form. Never add \\\'s\\\'. But I think \\\"lot of softwa ...

既然前面一句是Ok的, 那么我个人认为后面一句也是OK的.
权当是省略了kinds/pieces....吧.

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-20 14:48:38

tempax 发表于 2013-7-20 10:04 static/image/common/back.gif
既然前面一句是Ok的, 那么我个人认为后面一句也是OK的.
权当是省略了kinds/pieces....吧.

出这道题主要想考两个问题。1 software 没有复数形式。2, 当我们用可数的数来比较时要用fewer不要用less. 我 已经说了比10少。所以说是可数的。用fewer更符合语法。

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-20 15:05:46

我只听过 5 is less than 10但没听过 5 is fewer than 10

tempax 发表于 2013-7-20 15:08:51

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-20 14:48 static/image/common/back.gif
出这道题主要想考两个问题。1 software 没有复数形式。2, 当我们用可数的数来比较时要用fewer不要用less ...

其实, 从一开始就想跟你提个意见的 - 既然开讲坛, 就在主贴里把问题说清楚:
1. 问题是什么?
2. 如何解决?
3. 为什么?
但我想直接意见未必能听得进去, 因为我关注了一下, 你的所有讲坛的主帖里都只列出了问题. 大有考人之嫌弃. 你看见别人这样的帖子会怎样想?
所以我觉得还是跟你抬抬杠比较好, 看你倒底能不能说清楚.

说实在的, 来这儿的人分369等, 水平有高有低.
稍微有点儿水平的, 还真的不屑于回答你的问题, 真心想学习的, 又不能在你的主帖里找到答案. 谁也不可能把论坛里的跟帖一一看完.
所以, 真想开个讲坛, 告诉大家点儿东西的话, 就直接在主帖里把主题都讲透了.
我这帖算是讲坛的最后一个捣蛋帖吧. 以后就只看不说话了.

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-20 15:55:41

本帖最后由 sandydad 于 2013-7-20 21:38 编辑

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-20 14:48 http://www.ebama.net/static/image/common/back.gif
出这道题主要想考两个问题。1 software 没有复数形式。2, 当我们用可数的数来比较时要用fewer不要用less ...

好像 LZ 自己也混淆了, 大家都知道 fewer 描述 countable noun , 而 less 是描述 uncountable noun.LZ 这句话 less than ten 是描述什么? 是 software 吗? 那 software 是 uncountable, 用 less 并无不妥. 因为 Only less than 10 software are quite usefui 语法没问题

如果 less 是形容数字少于10, 那我真没听说过 fewer than 10

LZ有时间也看看我的日志 说英音是否在美国受到敬重??

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-21 01:52:39

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-20 15:55 static/image/common/back.gif
好像 LZ 自己也混淆了, 大家都知道 fewer 描述 countable noun , 而 less 是描述 uncountable noun.L ...

我转发一个帖子吧。
The adjectives less and fewer have similar meanings but are used in slightly different ways. Fewer is used with nouns that can be counted.
▪ classrooms with fewer students ▪ They have fewer than three children. Less is usually used with nouns that cannot be counted. ▪ He makes less money than she does. ▪ The new model uses less power. But less is also more likely than fewer to be used with count nouns that refer to distances and amounts of money. ▪ an investment of less than $2,000 ▪ It\'s less than 100 miles away. Less is also used in mathematical expressions and in certain phrases. ▪ an angle of less than 180 degrees ▪ Write it in 25 words or less. It is also used instead of fewer with other sorts of plural nouns, although many people still consider this use incorrect. ▪ Less than 10 people showed up. = Fewer than 10 people showed up.


数学里\"6 is less than 10\" is absolutely correct.


你可以说software不可数,但我用小于10说明我认为software是可数的, 用fewer比less要规范多了。

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-21 10:37:03

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-21 01:52 static/image/common/back.gif
我转发一个帖子吧。
The adjectives less and fewer have similar meanings but are used in slightly d ...

fewer 描述 countable noun , 而 less 是描述 uncountable noun.Fewer and less 是放在名词前面.

你举的两个例子
They have fewer than three children
Fewer than 10 people showed up
都是描述 countable noun.

如果你能引证一句子
fewer than 10 [ uncountable noun] ..... 那你的说法就成立

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-21 10:42:29

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-21 10:37 static/image/common/back.gif
fewer 描述 countable noun , 而 less 是描述 uncountable noun.Fewer and less 是放在名词前面.

你 ...

我已经说了,这里我是把software当作可数用的。如果是不可数,哪来的小于10一说?就不能用less than 10. 而且我用的是are. 如果不可数,你也应改为is.


sandydad 发表于 2013-7-21 11:03:51

lbelieve 发表于 2013-7-21 10:42 static/image/common/back.gif
我已经说了,这里我是把software当作可数用的。如果是不可数,哪来的小于10一说?就不能用less than 10....

我是直接拷贝你那句上去, 没有留意后面. 我认为或公认software 是不可数,一定是用 is.
所以是 Less than 10 software is quite useful.

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-21 11:35:34

sandydad 发表于 2013-7-21 11:03 static/image/common/back.gif
我是直接拷贝你那句上去, 没有留意后面. 我认为或公认software 是不可数,一定是用 is.
所以是 Less ...

所以我是用数字理解你那句话,是 less than 10 , 不是 fewer than 10
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