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本帖最后由 qiankun3 于 2016-12-16 15:08 编辑

   


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说说我的看法高级模式

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  • lmjcle

    2016-2-19 15:51:20 使用道具

    这种学习方法肯定是有效的,但在没有外力的情况下能愿意这样做的孩子可真不多,佩服一下!
  • 托米

    2016-2-19 15:59:22 使用道具

    感觉鹭鹭把这种需要付出很多耐心和努力的学习当作乐趣了,正因为这样才有最大的收获吧。
  • aboliqiu

    2016-2-19 16:55:51 使用道具

    话说我这个当妈的都没这个能力
  • feilongzaitian

    2016-2-20 15:30:23 使用道具

    本帖最后由 feilongzaitian 于 2016-2-20 16:37 编辑

    冒昧地表达一下个人观点

    感觉鹭鹭在英语故事的感受和叙述这一块儿领域,已经能做到心到手到的二者契合

    在翻译界中,我们信奉两种语言融合的成熟境界是——心心相印,意意相通,然后不用你去绞尽脑汁遣词造句,那些词句自然袭来,流畅地找你;自然表达精准义海,在艺术上我们说——这是早就胸有成竹的造诣了

    接下来,我建议,继续深入巩固之外,看完原版书,扔开书本,自己随口道来,看有多少能不假思索心到口到,秒达原义。少了打字占用和检查的时间,这个难度有小小的提升,也许鹭鹭以前做过,是否这么长篇幅的,我记不清了

    另外可以不失时机地让鹭鹭选取故事以外,其它的文体,比如自然科学和社会学,带有一些小议论的中短故事,总之是孩子自己跃跃欲试——自选的文章,再以同样的方式进行听读以后的随手打出,扩大战果和范畴,如果鹭鹭没兴趣,说明时机未到。

    最主要的对于父亲,要先下去把原文的文理文采和情理吃透,再来观摩女儿一挥而就的展示,找出差距与不俗,心里初步有个认识,再去找洋人指教和求证,所以这里,父亲自己的英文阅读,或者还有听力功力,深度和宽度都不可少,否则夹在洋大人观点和女儿的才能之间,会有隔膜和落差感

    因为没有亲身了解鹭鹭详细现状,若有错谬,楼主莫怪,大家也只是隔空打虎,图个启发。
  • shuilanghua

    2016-2-20 16:25:47 使用道具

    最主要的对于父亲,要先下去把原文的文理文采和情理吃透,再来观摩女儿一挥儿就的展示,找出差距与不俗,心里初步有个认识,再去找洋人指教和求证,所以这里,父亲自己的英文阅读,或者还有听力功力,深度和宽度都不可少,否则夹在洋大人观点和女儿的才能之间,会有隔膜和落差感  ”  这个话我希望你能听进去 你自己半点英文不懂的话 后悔药要提前准备好!
  • feilongzaitian

    2016-2-20 17:23:42 使用道具

    本帖最后由 feilongzaitian 于 2016-2-20 19:02 编辑

    现在再说说我具体对比两篇文字后的初感

    长处是——已发现鹭鹭的文字,敢于对原文,做大胆的删减、想象和改动,并且从语感上,已经有了从实向虚,从文词铺陈到向意动的——趋向,

    但同时我也保留的是,不知这种对原文的改动、删减和想象,是出于鹭鹭在对全文的清晰理解下,对其不满足故意做的呢,还是因为有些描写,鹭鹭理解没有到位,而干脆用自己的东西替代和改编的呢,这个得和鹭鹭用英语面谈才知道,而我宁愿相信两者都有,这个年龄段的孩子,有时更喜欢自己完全创造出符合自己口味的东西,哪怕是对原文的理解全到位,也索性不管自顾自了,特别是又只在阅读一遍就打出来,有时跟理解没关系,完全是记忆没记全,造成的,比如喂熊仔的小奶瓶,是不应该出现在第二自然段那么早的,还有用奶瓶喂熊仔的细节,以及熊仔被单独留在洞中孤独嚎叫,求人亲近,再满足愿望后安然睡着——这些在孩子的改动中都不见了还有一些小小的自创

    另外就是发现鹭的改写有一个特点——高度简洁的归纳较多,细致的情景,细腻的情感描述,再现较少,这个也要跟鹭用英语详细面谈后,才能知道是鹭的个人性格特点,思维感受的特点所致,还是理解和记忆,因匆匆一遍而发生的问题,还是语言本身的表达和表现能力所限,还是三者都兼而有之,其中哪一个才是主要的,都要跟孩子详细对谈,至少是用中英文都谈,光用中文,发现不了问题。

    现在比较能确定的是——鹭鹭对原版故事的文彩和情感色彩,似乎注意和感受得不够,启蒙不到位,但这是不是也同样因为一挥而就,来不及细品带来的结果!?还是以前训练的模式一直偏窄所致呢?

    孩子的强项和优势是——已比较随心所欲地驾驭生成自己的句子,并且在只读一遍就打出的前提下,主要条理故事大脉络都是非常清晰的,可以比较客观的说,在对描述性故事这个范畴里,孩子对语言的把握,已部分接近了灵活的【化境】,当然化多化少,还有哪些拖泥带水处,这个都必须要跟孩子近距离观察接触,一连多看几篇下来,才能初步掌握一些实情

    所以目前,孩子再听打类似故事时,可以增加听和记忆的次数,听三次以上,再打出来,对比听读一次的,也可以检查出部分真相,很多孩子在这个水平上,其实理解表达都到位,唯独记忆太快太急时,就会发生以上问题,若是因为记忆的原因,那么能力方面出现的纰漏,就不用过度地担心,虽然如此,还是要纠正求快疏率的习惯,另外,必须要加进对文学色彩的欣赏和感受的——由浅入深的启蒙过程,注重向细节描写的再现,情感的细腻再现上,偏移!否则中后期会产生问题。也容易出现在低空中盘旋。
  • 疯狂的小豆子

    2016-2-20 18:33:45 使用道具

    好牛。真是牛娃。到这一步可能需要一个高水平的老师来指出孩子存在的问题,对其成长能更有帮助。
  • qiankun3

    楼主 2016-2-20 21:00:42 使用道具

    本帖最后由 qiankun3 于 2016-2-20 21:29 编辑

    非常感谢feilongzaitian优美艺术性的文章指导。鹭鹭阅读书基本是泛读,很少精读过,因各种书籍课文多且量大,也没过多的时间精力专门精读任一本。更没有对每篇课文故事句子结构进行仔细分析熟记。因此很可能她对每读的课文大多没有详细的理解掌握透。现暂时仍让她基本上如无大的因素,每天基本仍旧要打作文,由她想打什么都行。下面这篇是刚才鹭鹭才打完的故事。她说基本全是她自己创编的故事。

    HOW SLAULABURS SAVED THE FAMILY
      Once upon a time, in the forest, there was a cave; and inside lived some foxes. Father Fox and his family ate nothing butbones from other wild animals. One day Father Fox decided to taste some otherfood, and brought some to the children when he came back from his journey.
      He took a blanket and packed anything heneeded, and then he slung it on his back and started on his journey. Before heset out, he told his oldest son named Slaulaburs to take care of the familywhile he was gone. Since Father Fox could trust Slaulaburs, he left the rest ofhis family in peace.
      Slaulaburs guarded the door, and made surethat the young ones did not come out. If he saw wild animals then he would usethe sharp stick he had found with his father when they were hunting in thewoods, and stroke him hard with it. Slaulaburs was guarding the door so well,that he did not notice that in the back of the cave; there was a hole in whichthe young ones could crawl out. Then Slaulaburs said, “Hey, you’ll be safe inhere.” But no answer came; Slaulaburs looked behind him and saw an empty cavewith only he inside; he was so surprised that he opened his eyes wide.
      Slaulaburs didn’t understand, “I have beenguarding the door all day! How could they have gone out?” suddenly he realizedthe hole, “Oh! So that is why they’ve disappeared, they crawled out of the hole!Well I’ve got to find them fast; or father would be really angry with me.” ThenSlaulaburs went outside. When he was outside, he saw a black bear guarding atree, “Why is that black bear guarding the tree?” just then he realized that itwas almost lunch time, “Oh! So he is guarding the tree because that up on topthere must be food! But what sort of food is it?”
      Slaulaburs looked up and saw the young onesclimbing trees. “The black bear wants to eat the cubs. I have an idea.” ThenSlaulaburs went back to cave, and made a small fox cub voice. The black beardid not hear it. Slaulaburs thought and thought, “What could I use to make thesound louder or to make my voice louder for the black bear to hear me?”
      Slaulaburs thought and thought, and then heheard men’s footsteps. Then he saw somebody use a leaf which they curled it upto form a party hat shape. Then he saw the men used it to speak loud. “Thatmust make the animals sound bigger or louder, I’ve got to have it!” and soSlaulaburs ran to a bush, where he got a big piece of leaf; then he curled itup and ran to the cave and started to make a small fox cub voice.
      When he had finished making the sound, he sawthe black bear coming toward him, “I shall soon have my lunch in having a foxcub and I will share it with my best family ever.” Then black bear ran towardthe cave, and then Slaulaburs crept out from the hole and ran to the tree. Thefox cubs fell down and he caught them all; before the black bear could catch upwith Slaulaburs, he had already fallen down Slaulaburs’s friend rabbit’s hole.The black bear couldn’t fall down and so he went back to his cave without anyfood to bring back to his family.
      Then Slaulaburs jumped out the hole with thecubs under his arms, and returned home. Just at that moment Father Fox cameback and saw the little ones safe and found; “Slaulaburs! You did a great job!”then he shared the food he found with his family. And they all lived happilyever after.

  • kiderl

    2016-2-21 03:33:41 使用道具

    feilongzaitian 发表于 2016-2-20 17:23
    现在再说说我具体对比两篇文字后的初感

    长处是——已发现鹭鹭的文字,敢于对原文,做大胆的删减、想象和 ...

    应该看到鹭鹭作文的进步,必须赞鹭爸一个!

    鹭鹭的文字已经越来越好,较之前的文章进步惊人。鹭鹭没有通过读原版小说来学习英语,事实上也等于不会浪费大量时间给范读。鹭爸说过,鹭鹭总体阅读量不超过十几本书,表面看跟那些读几百本上千本原版小说的孩子差距极大,但那些孩子的阅读量里到底有多少是有效阅读呢?相反正是由于鹭鹭把阅读的全力都放在各国语文教材上,能做教材的必然是精粹,这不失也是一种更好的有效阅读方法。所以鹭鹭才能不需要大量阅读的铺垫而写出这么多精彩的故事,才敢于写小说和诗歌。

    至于鹭鹭的三拍写作法更是锻炼记忆力和思维敏捷度的绝佳方法,我给自己的孩子试过,不用思考直接下笔确实太难,估计没有几个孩子能做到吧。

    更重要的是鹭鹭的英语学习95%都从动画、美剧中自然习得,孩子的口语在没有外教辅导的的条件下,居然能如此地道。鹭爸为女儿另辟蹊径,鹭鹭现在取得的成绩爸爸功不可没,向鹭爸学习。

    朋友的孩子跟鹭鹭的情况很像,也是不肯读章节书,我告诉她鹭鹭的方法,她羡慕不已说是如果有一天孩子有鹭鹭一半的水平就感欣慰。
  • 劼妈littleai

    2016-2-23 10:13:57 使用道具

    感觉孩子对于英语是真爱啊
  • loverat

    2016-2-23 14:22:35 使用道具

    太厉害了,我自己都做不到
  • anna80li

    2016-2-23 22:24:00 使用道具

    给个大大的赞~
  • 煦宝330

    2016-3-4 12:05:08 使用道具

    太厉害啦,这孩子有学习语言的天赋