lei_shen
2016-08-10
[答疑解惑] 当孩子看完了Harry Potter 1-7，而我却高兴不起来
说说我的看法高级模式
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lei_shen 发表于 2016-8-11 14:21
Hi5 斑斑，现在的真实感受，可能是痛更多一些。没想到这个帖子有这么多回复。写它来抒发我的一点点小惆怅 ...
好像明白一点了，您说的是语文应试吗？ 您在哪个城市啊，北京还是上海。 能给我一些现在的中文阅读理解题吗？现在的中文写作要求沦落到记叙文要堆砌辞藻的地步啦？
我日志里转的这篇：http://www.ebama.net/blog-6-398575.html 程怡：爸爸教我读中国诗 是今年上海中考的一片阅读理解， 记叙文。 写的就非常的朴实感人，没有辞藻堆砌， 没有长难句，都是贴近生活和人性的描写。
迁移的是思维，是方法，是阅读和写作的思路。
比如写议论文：先说出你的观点，然后用论据支持你的观点。 这些论据需要是fact，而不能是opinion. 论据服务于论点。
这不中外都是这样的吗？
“再说阅读里的批判性思维，在中文阅读理解题中基本苍白无力” 您能多举几个列子来说明吗？仅仅是这么一个结论，真的很难理解其中的含义啊
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high5 发表于 2016-8-12 02:18
好像明白一点了，您说的是语文应试吗？ 您在哪个城市啊，北京还是上海。 能给我一些现在的中文阅读理解题 ...
我很赞同high版说的。
楼主说：比如写作，外教看重事实，先有事实后有结论。具体写作时老师也鼓励孩子写短句子，写得简洁易懂。孩子朴实无华的作文得到老师的肯定。但是中文呢，议论文，请先想个有创意的论点，然后找论据为论点服务。记叙文更是要求孩子写优美的长句子，要排比、要拟人，要堆砌辞藻，恨不得写得越朦胧越好。朴实无华的文章是得不到考试高分的。短句，更是被看作水平低下的表现。假如《背景》那样的文字，是孩子写的考试作文，它能得到高分吗？
中外老师都是要有论点、论据，都是一样的。只是作为外国人，使用外语，你语言上没有达到母语的自由度，没办法感受英语之美，没办法自然运用英语罢了。还没走当然不会跑、跳。如果你是英语语言大师，如丘吉尔，你会这么写：I see the Russian soldiers standing on the threshold oftheir native land,guarding the fields which their fathers havetilled from time immemorial.I see them guarding their homeswhere mothers and wives pray for the safety of their loved ones….I see the ten thousand villages of Russia….I see advancing upon all this in hideous onslaught the Nazi warmachine,with its clanking,heel-clinking,dandifiedPrussian officers…I see also thedull,drilled,docile,brutishmasses of the Hun soldiery plodding on like a swarm ofcrawling locusts.I see the German bombers and fighters in thesky,…Behind all this glare,behind all this storm,I seethat small group of villainous men…“I have to declare the decision of his MajestyπsGovernment…for we must spread out now at once,without adayπs delay.I have to make the declaration,but can youdoubt what our policy will be?We have but one aim and onesingle,irrevocable purpose.We are resolved to destroy Hitlerand every vestige of the nazi regime.From this nothing willturn us—nothing.We will never parley,we will nevernegotiate….We shall fight him by land,we shall fight himby sea,we shall fight him in the air,…”(Winston S.Churchill:Speech on Hitlerπ‘s Invasion of the U.S.S.R.)
如果你达不到丘吉尔的高度，但是是美国总统，你可以这么写：
To that work I now turn, with all the authority of my office. I ask the Congress to join with me. But no president, no Congress, no government, can undertake this mission alone
英语跟汉语一样，是有语言修辞的，不是说一味写简单就是好文章。
比如：拟声、头韵、尾韵、连续重复、平行结构等从语言形式和声音上都能体现的修辞,比如，拟声:I see advancing upon all this in hideousonslaught the Nazi war machine,with its clanking,heel-clinking,dandified Prussian officers……(Winston S.Churchill:Speech on Hitlerπs Invasion of the U.S.S.R.)
比如：头韵:A stable,silent,solemn forest stood.
在比如，尾韵:The ground was black with ants,greatenergetic ants that took no notice of him,but hurried andscurried towards the fighting shape,like glistening black waterflowing through the grass.(Doris Lessing:A sunrise on theVeld)
还有，连续重复:威尼斯商人里夏洛克在辩词中说道:I’ll have my bond!Speak not against my bond!I have sworn an oath that I will have my bond!(Shakespeare:The Merchant of Venice)
还有平行结构
排比,对照)(1)Yes,for there are times when all pray———for thesafety of their loved ones,the return of the breadwinner,oftheir champion,of their protector.(John F.Kennedy:Inaugural Address) (2)We observe today not a victory of party but acelebration of freedom,symbolizing an end as well as abeginning,signifying renewal as well as change.(John F.Kennedy:Inaugural Address) 这是美国人都会背诵的一句话，还会经常改编，学生会选举时经常能听到。
有人说，海明威写短句，不修饰。语言大师的短句和外语学习者的短句是有很大差异的。"If it is any use to know it, I always try to write on the principle of the iceberg. There is seven-eighths of it underwater for every part that shows. Anything you know you can eliminate and it only strengthens your iceberg. It is the part that doesn’t show. If a writer omits something because he does not know it then there is a hole in the story."他的iceberg theory.
估计没有哪个外教敢说他掌握海明威的手法能教外语学习者。所以这种对简单的要求是希望学习者从基本掌握好这种语言。而海明威的文字是这样的：You expected to be sad in the fall. Part of you died each year when the leaves fell from the trees and their branches were bare against the wind and the cold, wintery light. But you knew there would always be the spring, as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person died for no reason.” （A Moveable Feast）
我觉得大家在评论英语和中文学习时还是要搞清楚是在学习母语，还是学习外语。外语学习和母语学习的要求一定是不一样的。跟应试不应试关系真不大。也不用太抱怨国内的考试，国外标准化考试一样有吐槽的。我学生还吐槽说学术论文写得像学术八股。
你中文说的好，还喷得到处都是？你一边说重要，一边自己就这水平，别丢人了。别装，小心被劈。