[其他] 为什么还要谈学习语法？语法已经淡出了。

这个论坛的学英语都不是为了应试的吧

谁会在意中考呀，这个论坛连高考都没兴趣。楼主跑错论坛了吧，呵呵

呵呵！楼主有看过其他家长的贴吗？

语法无处不在啊，考和不考不能决定语法的地位。就好比小提琴的基本功，考级时没有专门针对基本功一项，但基本功不好的，拉琴的水平就上不去。

没搞明白说的什么

本帖最后由 oranje 于 2016-8-31 01:33 编辑

楼主不会以为国际大都市北京的家长让孩子学英语就只是为了中考吧？！考不考语法，语法都在那儿，过去没有消失，现在也不会消失，未来也不会消失。
安利一个邱吉尔谈英语学习：邱吉尔得过诺贝尔奖，楼主知道吧，不是政治家标配的和平奖，而是诺贝尔文学奖！！

By being so long in the lowest form I gained an immense advantage over the cleverer boys. They all went on to learn Latin and Greek and splendid things like that. But I was taught English. We were considered such dunces that we could learn only English. Mr. Somervell--a most delightful man, to whom my debt is great--was charged with the duty of teaching the stupidest boys the most disregarded thing--namely, to write mere English. He knew how to do it. He taught it as no one else has ever taught it. Not only did we learn English parsing thoroughly, but we also practised continually English analysis. Mr. Somervell had a system of his own. He took a fairly long sentence and broke it up into its components by means of black, red, blue, and green inks. Subject, verb, object: Relative Clauses, Conditional Clauses, Conjunctive and Disjunctive Clauses! Each had its colour and its bracket. It was a kind of drill. We did it almost daily. As I remained in the Third Form three times as long as anyone else, I had three times as much of it. I learned it thoroughly. Thus I got into my bones the essential structure of the ordinary British sentence--which is a noble thing.

And when in after years my schoolfellows who had won prizes and distinction for writing such beautiful Latin poetry and pithy Greek epigrams had to come down again to common English, to earn their living or make their way, I did not feel myself at any disadvantage. Naturally I am biased in favor of boys learning English. I would make them all learn English: and then I would let the clever ones learn Latin as an honour, and Greek as a treat. But the only thing I would whip them for is not knowing English, I would whip them hard for that.

(My Early Life: A Roving Commission, Thornton Butterworth [UK] and Charles Scribner's Sons [US], 1930)
楼主看明白邱吉尔说什么了吧：他在最低年级混了3年，因为人笨么，学校觉得他不配上拉丁语，希腊语这些华丽丽的课程。只许他学英语。Mr.Somervell 懂得怎么教。他采取了与众不同的教学方法。他拿来一个长句子，用黑，红，蓝，绿各种彩笔把冗长的复句中的各种句子成分一一标示出来：主语，谓语，宾语，关系从句，条件从句，Conjunctive and Disjunctive 从句。就是一种操练，每天都练。因为他在低级低班呆的时间比别人长三倍【因为他留级了几次】，所以他比别人多学了三遍这些东西，学的很彻底，所以呢，他把英语句子的基本结构铭刻于心 —— 这是光荣的事情。
几年以后，当他的那些因创作优美的拉丁文诗歌和辛辣的希腊讽刺诗而获奖成名的同学，不得不靠普通的英语来谋生或者开拓事业的时候，他觉得自己一点也比他们差。自然他倾向让孩子们学习英语（母语）。他会首先让他们都学英语，然后再让聪明些的孩子们学习拉丁语作为一种荣耀，学习希腊语作为一种享受。但只有一件事邱吉尔会强迫他们去做，那就是不能不懂英语（母语）

邱吉尔这段话很好，总结一下：1）母语很重要，2）英语语法很重要，英文句子结构的学习非常重要。
送给楼主，也送给觉得母语不重要的人们。

都很重要。。。。。

学个英语就为了中考？楼主你这眼光也太那个了吧？

就楼主贴出的这两页题，就已经包含了很多语法知识点。

语法还是要学的

对的，论子里的人多数不为中考高考啥的而来研究如何教英语的。中考高考的成绩，完全不必搞什么幼儿英语启蒙。这坛子里家长，我感觉一部分如我，是期望孩子能真正灵活用上英语这门语言去做想做的事，去开阔视野，一部分是追求语言大家，至少也是为出国语言能拿高分，绝不是为了高考那点子英语。

考试指挥棒

看楼主的例题单纯的语法题并不多啊，主要还是理解力，逻辑推理和词汇量啊
现在语法不像以前那样靠死记硬背，靠刷题了，要靠语感，靠比以前更多的浸润。但肯定不能不学，广泛多读，加精读以后就会比较容易分辨进而抓住语法点。
我想大部分活跃在这个论坛的都家长都是为了增强英文/中文的硬功力的。绝不是单单为了以后的分数成绩。

考试指挥棒

现在的中考一点也不逊色高考。

这个贴怪怪的

看来以后高考啥都不考，娃就可以啥都不学了，哈哈哈哈哈

没有语法难道只蹦词？语法是无处不在的，只是学的方式不同，甚或只是考试时的名称换了而已。除了默写单词和辩音，其它所有题目都是在考语法。

魔都有3e和全能五星，中考根本不是个事儿