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对于“10后”来说,英语,如果无法达到近乎母语的程度,或者为此付出的时间和精力过多,不如干脆别学了——纯属浪费生命。

时代已经不一样了。

大环境即将甚至是已经改变。在几十年前,即使你学的是完完全全的聋哑英语,只要能拿个词典翻译技术资料,你的这个能力都很有价值。可现如今技术发展一日千里,微软最新的语音识别技术,已经达到只有5.9%的差错率,和人类相近。基于此,微软还开发了翻译应用 Translator live——你就对着手机正常说话,手机几秒钟之内翻译好,说不同语言的人也可以在一起群聊。谷歌也有类似的技术,翻译能力非常强悍。

这意味着什么呢?很明显——

中低水平的外语能力很快就会丧失存在的价值了。

首先,语音识别技术会进一步降低差错率,结合人工智能和传感技术,机器翻译会变得更灵活。比如在需要翻译前,你可以先给人工智能一个场景:Siri,我在超市;或者:Siri,我在听心理学的讲座。那么后台用相关算法就能大幅提高翻译精度。甚至你都不用专门告诉人工智能,它通过传感器自己就可以做判断,比如用摄像头识别对面的人是熟人还是陌生人,是你的上司还是下属,语气中是否有隐含信息等等等。而所有的信息呈现,则可能通过增强现实的形式,直接在你眼前呈现给你。即使你一点外语也不懂,也能在绝大多数情况下应对自如。

其次,随着专业知识服务的兴起,语言间的信息差会大幅缩小。中国会像现在的日本一样,专业翻译和出版的速度会大幅加快,名家的作品可能几个月就翻译出版了。几个月时间还嫌太长?没问题,专业知识服务甚至能在第一时间把精华提炼给你。比如我就通过订阅万维钢老师的专栏,第一时间了解了《人类简史》作者尤瓦尔·赫拉利的新书《未来简史》。

最后,中国全面崛起,汉语地位也在提升,这会带来根本性的影响。很多外语文化产品比如书籍、杂志、新闻、电影、游戏等一开始就会提供中文版本,谁会跟钱过不去呢?而对汉语母语者来说,看英文还能比看汉字舒服?

总之,对中国人来说,英语会慢慢的变得“无用”,变成一种“奢侈品”和“屠龙之技”。其实现在已有端倪,很多高学历妈妈辛辛苦苦学到英语最大的用处,就是给孩子辅导英语,甚至很多还担心自己“口音”不好,连辅导都不敢——既已如此,未来又当如何?

如果说80、90、甚至00后苦学出来的英语还能有点用——最起码,还能买张高等教育的入场券。但是等10后进入社会都什么时候了?十几年过去,2030年以后了!那时技术会发展成什么样子?彼时之于此时,就好比此时之于2000年,很多领域的变化超乎想象。2000年的时候,别的不说,大家在用什么手机? CPU速度多少?分辨率多高?网络带宽几何?

技术发展会撕裂很多领域,英语应用必是其中之一。

未来不需要二把刀水平的英语,那毫无意义,只有近似母语的能力才能派上用场。因为无论技术如何发展,真正重要的领域离不开人与人之间那种即时的、带着温度的人际互动——一起去酒吧,一起去打高尔夫球,一起去泡澡……这些场合你带个翻译机肯定不合适,很难通过沟通感情建立私人之间的交情和友谊。

这种需求,一般只产生于各行各业真正的精英阶层和前沿领域中,比如企业界外派出去做高管,学术界做学术交流。对绝大多数普通人来说,由于中国本身人口足够多,经济体量又足够大,他们每天交流的人都是同胞;每天的工作是满足同胞的需求;每天的娱乐,各国电影剧集书籍第一时间有汉语版本;出国玩一个手机全搞定——说不定手机都不用,因为那时可能标牌必有汉字,店员必会汉语……真正需要用到英语的地方,少之又少。

看到这,很多朋友可能不以为然——没有用的科目多去了,比如数学,初中以上的内容在现实生活中就很少用到了,难道能因为用不上就不学了嘛?当然不是——优质教育资源稀缺,教育需要承担筛选功能。所有人一起脱离实际使用,单纯的为学而学,这可能是公平的必要成本。作为没有背景的平民子弟,我自己也是高考制度的受益者,我100万个赞成用“数学及类似科目”来选拔。

——但英语真的不适合如此。

数学很适合用来选拔。它是一个抽象的知识体系,是非常公平的科目——天赋决定上限,努力决定下限,花再多的钱请再好的老师作用也有限,人人都要付出大量的努力来学习,天才也不例外。

但英语不一样。它首先是一门语言,而语言可以说是人类的一种“本能”。几万年来,人类婴儿不需要付出刻意的努力来掌握母语,无知无觉且轻松快乐。母语如此,二语三语其实也一样。世界上有很多多语传统的地区,对于这些地区的孩子来说,二语和母语没什么区别,都是在不知不觉中掌握的。

这不是什么秘密。事实上,对于中国上层精英(统治阶级和富人)的孩子们来说,英语根本不是学出来的,而是“天生”的——菲佣、外教、国际学校、美国上学……甚至从懂事起,英语就已经搞定了,成为他们的第二语言,后面一马平川——上课可以看小说;考试什么的完全没难度,纯凭感觉答也能得高分;出国考试也不在话下。精英们不需要知道什么二语习得的原理,既然菲佣和国际学校就能解决这个问题,我花钱就是了嘛。

而普通中产和待中产阶层的孩子们,受限于公立体系、应试制度和传统观念,仍要重复父母走过的老路——苦学!对他们来说,英语仍是一个需要奋力逾越的障碍,仍是一段终点遥遥无期的漫漫苦旅——学前开始启蒙,主要内容是一些碎片和皮毛,水果动物唱唱跳跳;小学开始“正式”学习,背单词,学语法,还有人人都爱的《新概念》;初高中进应试轨道,做题、考试,一切为了中高考;进了大学,要猛攻四六级;毕业后……还是不够用,最多是能给简历不被刷掉加一个小砝码,真想用得上还要继续“学”……

“天生”和“苦学”是两条完全不同的道路。

前者先开任督二脉获得内功,之后以内力驾驭招式则沾之即会,信手拈来毫不费力。后者简单粗暴,从一开始就透支身体,苦练招式,直奔“目标”而去——“因为考试考这个”。二者平时看来区别不大,动真格时则高下立现——前者英语应用自如,生活学习工作娱乐不在话下;后者则是张口结舌:“嗯……嗯……My...my English is very poor...”

前者家长带着孩子一起看原版电影,用英语讨论
“你觉得这个电影讲了什么样的故事?”
“主角当时为什么要做那个决定?”
“如果是你,你会怎么做?”
“有什么根据么?说来听听。”

后者家长下课后把孩子堵在墙角训斥:“怎么就那么几个单词都没记下来?说!刚才错了几个!以后还错不错了!回家每个抄5遍!”——亲眼所见,亲耳所闻。在一些家长能参与听课的英语培训班,这种情况天天都有,忍不住直接在课上就开始训斥的,也很常见。

这就好比同样去一个地方,前者直接上飞机,一路欢歌笑语;后者背上100斤的负重,徒步前行。

英语和数学不一样,它既不是“学科”,也不“公平”,并不适合用来选拔。英语应试之路,及其派生的传统教学法,有过历史贡献,但时代和技术已今非昔比,彼时五分毒的救命药如今已成毒瘤,积重难返,尾大不掉而食之致命。

事实如此,道理如此,但换个角度想,这个制度其实很“有效”:美国顶尖大学曾有意将无用的希腊语作为申请条件,目的就是遏制越来越多的犹太学生——白人上流社会有学习希腊语的传统和能力,而犹太人没有。我们再直白一点:如果中高考把一个极其偏僻的方言设为必考科目,而你家娃3岁就跟外公外婆学的无比地道了,你会不会做梦都会笑醒,然后希望这个制度天长地久?

父母之爱子,则为之计深远。本文当然不是劝你放弃英语,而是希望你能意识到:如果孩子继续走我们苦学的老路,最后极可能竹篮打水一场空。既然要学,就别随波逐流,而是要用最科学的方法来学。当我们摆脱应试导向的逼仄格局,回归对语言真正的需求,我们会发现另一条道路其实一直就在眼前:以真实使用为导向,如母语一般习得英语的道路。我称之为——

自然习得之路。

我前后花了七年时间探索这条道路——教了很多学生,试了很多教学法,读了很多书,和很多家长交流,写了几十篇文章,还专门去攻读了教育学硕士——我愈发确信“自然习得”就是英语教育的未来。

我会在2017年建立社群,带着小伙伴们一起走自然习得之路,用亲子英语的方式,让孩子们在两年之内即获得英语母语感,具备自主发展的能力。

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  • layefe

    2016-12-29 21:52:14 使用道具

    你用google 把你这篇文章翻译成英文看看?
  • layefe

    2016-12-29 21:54:37 使用道具

    For "after 10", English, if not close to the mother tongue level, or to pay the time and energy too much, it is better not to learn altogether - purely a waste of life.

    Times have been different.

    The environment is about to have even changed. In the decades before, even if you learn is completely deaf English, as long as you can get a dictionary translation of technical information, your ability is valuable. But now technology is developing rapidly, Microsoft's latest voice recognition technology, has reached only 5.9% error rate, and human similar. Based on this, Microsoft has developed a translation application Translator live - you talk to the normal phone, cell phone translated within a few seconds, that different languages can also be a group chat. Google also has a similar technology, translation capability is very powerful.

    What does this mean? It is clear--

    The low level of foreign language ability will soon lose the value of existence.

    First of all, speech recognition technology will further reduce the error rate, combined with artificial intelligence and sensor technology, machine translation will become more flexible. For example, before you need to translate, you can give artificial intelligence a scene: Siri, I am in the supermarket; or: Siri, I listen to psychology lectures. Then the background with the relevant algorithm will be able to significantly improve the translation accuracy. Even if you do not have to specifically tell the artificial intelligence, it can be done through the sensor to judge their own, such as using the camera to identify the opposite person is an acquaintance or stranger, your boss or subordinates, whether there is implied tone of voice information and so on. And all the information presented, it may be through the form of augmented reality, directly in front of you present to you. Even if you do not know a little foreign language, but also in the vast majority of cases cope with ease.

    Second, with the rise of professional knowledge services, the information gap between languages will be significantly reduced. China will be like Japan now, professional translation and publishing speed will be significantly accelerated, famous works may be translated and published a few months. A few months too long? No problem, expertise and even the first time in the essence of the essence of refining to you. For example, I subscribe to the Webmaster's column, the first time to understand the "human history," the author Yvarl Hera's new book "A Brief History of the Future."

    Finally, China's overall rise, the status of Chinese is also upgrading, which will bring a fundamental impact. Many foreign language cultural products such as books, magazines, news, movies, games and so will provide the Chinese version from the beginning, who would not make money with it? While the Chinese mother tongue, the English can also be comfortable to see than the Chinese characters?

    In short, for the Chinese people, English will gradually become "useless", into a "luxury" and "Dragon of the technology." In fact, there are clues, a lot of highly educated mother hard to learn English the biggest use is to counsel the child English, and even many also worry about their "accent" is not good, even counseling are not - both the case, the future and when how is it?

    If 80,90, or even 00 after hard to learn English can also be used - at least, but also to buy tickets for higher education. But after 10 so into the community are what time? Ten years in the past, after 2030! At that time technology will develop into what? At that time, like this time in 2000, many areas of change beyond imagination. 2000, the other does not say, we use what cell phone? CPU speed how much? How high is the resolution? Network bandwidth geometry?

    Technology development will tear many areas, English applications will be one of them.

    The future does not require two knives level of English, it is meaningless, only the ability to approximate the native language can come in handy. Because no matter how the development of technology, the real importance of the field can not be separated from the kind of real-time, with the temperature of human interaction - go to bars, go play golf, go bath ... ... these occasions you With a translation machine is certainly inappropriate, it is difficult to establish personal feelings of friendship and friendship between the communication.

    This demand, generally only produced in the real elite of all walks of life and cutting-edge areas, such as business sent out to do executives, academics do academic exchanges. The vast majority of ordinary people, because China's own population is enough, the economy is large enough, they exchange people are compatriots every day; daily work is to meet the needs of compatriots; daily entertainment, national film series books The first time there is a Chinese version; go abroad to play a cell phone all get - maybe the phone do not have, because then signs may have Chinese characters, the staff will be Chinese ... ... really need to use English, very few.

    See this, many of my friends may not agree - no more subjects to go, such as mathematics, junior high school and above the content in real life rarely used, can not be used because it does not learn it? Of course not - the scarcity of quality education resources, education needs to bear the screening function. All together from the actual use, simply learn and learn, it may be necessary for the cost of fairness. As a background of the civilian population, I am also the beneficiary of the college entrance examination system, I 100 million in favor of "mathematics and similar subjects" to the selection.

    - But English really does not fit that.

    Mathematics is good for singles. It is an abstract knowledge system, is a very fair subject - talent decision ceiling, to determine the ceiling, spend more money please no matter how good teacher role is limited, everyone has to pay a lot of effort to learn, genius No exception.

    But English is not the same. It is above all a language, and language can be said to be a human "instinct." Thousands of years, human babies do not need to pay deliberate effort to master the mother tongue, ignorance and feel relaxed and happy. This is the case in the mother tongue, and the second language is actually the same. There are many areas of the world's multilingual tradition, for children in these areas, second language and mother tongue is no difference, are unknowingly grasp.

    This is not a secret. In fact, for the Chinese elite (the ruling class and the rich) children, English is not learned, but "born" - Filipino maid, foreign teachers, international schools, American schools ... ... even from the sensible From the English can already get, and become their second language, followed by a horse Pingchuan - class can read novels; examination of what is not the difficulty, purely by feeling the answer can also get high scores; abroad test also mention. The elites do not need to know what SLA is, and since Filipino maids and international schools can solve this problem, I spend money on it.

    And ordinary middle class and to be middle-class children, subject to the public system, the examination system and traditional concepts, still have to repeat the old path of their parents - hard study! For them, English is still a need to struggling to overcome the obstacles, is still an end in the foreseeable long journey - pre-school initiation, the main content is a number of debris and fur, fruit animals singing and dancing; "Learning, back words, learning grammar, and everyone loves the" new concept "; early high school into the test track, do questions, examinations, all for the college entrance examination; into the university, to storm 46; Or not enough, most of the resume can not be brushed off plus a small weight, really want to use it to continue to "learn" ... ...

    "Natural" and "hard to learn" are two completely different path.

    The former to open the Governor of the second pulse to gain strength, then the internal force to control the moves will stick, will come in handy effortlessly. The latter is simple and crude, from the outset on the body, hard training moves, went straight to the "target" away - "because the examination test this. The two usually do not seem to distinguish between, when the real thing is to compete with the present - the former English application freely, live and work entertainment to mention; the latter is tongue-tied: "ah ... ah ... My ... My English is very poor ... "

    The former parents with children to see the original film, discussed in English
    "What kind of story do you think the film is about?"
    "Why did the protagonist make that decision at the time?"
    "If it was you, what would you do?"
    "What is the basis for it?

    The latter parents after school children blocking the corner reprimanded: "how then a few words did not write it down? Say! Just wrong a few! After the wrong wrong! Go home every copy 5 times!" - See, hear the ear. In some parents can participate in lectures in English training classes, this situation every day, can not help but directly in the class began to reprimand, and very common.

    This is like going to a place, the former directly on the plane, all the way singing and laughing; the latter back 100 pounds of weight, on foot.

    English and mathematics are not the same, it is neither "discipline", nor "fair", not suitable for selection. English exam road, and its derivative of the traditional teaching method, has a historical contribution, but the times and technology has changed, then the fifth of the drug of life-saving drugs now has become a malignant tumor, difficult to return, the tail can not afford to eat fatal.

    This is the case, but in another way, this system is actually "effective": the top US universities have deliberately useless Greek as the application conditions, the purpose is to curb more and more Jewish students - white upper class learning The Greek tradition and the ability, while the Jews did not. Let us be straightforward: If the college entrance examination to a very remote dialect set as compulsory subjects, and your baby 3 years old with my grandparents learned very authentic, you will not dream will wake up, and then hope that the system Forever?

    Parents love the child, is far-reaching. This article, of course, is not to persuade you to give up English, but hope you can realize: If the children continue to learn the old way of our hard work, the last is likely to draw a basket empty. Since you want to learn, do not follow the crowd, but to use the most scientific way to learn. When we get rid of the test-oriented pattern, and return to the real needs of the language, we will find another way has always been in sight: the real use-oriented, such as native English acquisition of the road. I call it -

    Natural acquisition of the road.

    I spent seven years exploring this road - teaching a lot of students, tried a lot of teaching methods, read a lot of books, and many parents, wrote dozens of articles, but also specifically to study the Master of Education - - I am more convinced that "natural learning" is the future of English education.

    I will build a community in 2017, with a small partner to go along the natural acquisition of the road, with parent-child English way, so that children within two years that is, a sense of English mother tongue, with the ability to self-development.

    If you want to join us, along the way, please pay attention to the details of the upcoming push it!
  • layefe

    2016-12-29 21:54:53 使用道具

    For "after 10", English, if not close to the mother tongue level, or to pay the time and energy too much, it is better not to learn altogether - purely a waste of life.

    Times have been different.

    The environment is about to have even changed. In the decades before, even if you learn is completely deaf English, as long as you can get a dictionary translation of technical information, your ability is valuable. But now technology is developing rapidly, Microsoft's latest voice recognition technology, has reached only 5.9% error rate, and human similar. Based on this, Microsoft has developed a translation application Translator live - you talk to the normal phone, cell phone translated within a few seconds, that different languages can also be a group chat. Google also has a similar technology, translation capability is very powerful.

    What does this mean? It is clear--

    The low level of foreign language ability will soon lose the value of existence.

    First of all, speech recognition technology will further reduce the error rate, combined with artificial intelligence and sensor technology, machine translation will become more flexible. For example, before you need to translate, you can give artificial intelligence a scene: Siri, I am in the supermarket; or: Siri, I listen to psychology lectures. Then the background with the relevant algorithm will be able to significantly improve the translation accuracy. Even if you do not have to specifically tell the artificial intelligence, it can be done through the sensor to judge their own, such as using the camera to identify the opposite person is an acquaintance or stranger, your boss or subordinates, whether there is implied tone of voice information and so on. And all the information presented, it may be through the form of augmented reality, directly in front of you present to you. Even if you do not know a little foreign language, but also in the vast majority of cases cope with ease.

    Second, with the rise of professional knowledge services, the information gap between languages will be significantly reduced. China will be like Japan now, professional translation and publishing speed will be significantly accelerated, famous works may be translated and published a few months. A few months too long? No problem, expertise and even the first time in the essence of the essence of refining to you. For example, I subscribe to the Webmaster's column, the first time to understand the "human history," the author Yvarl Hera's new book "A Brief History of the Future."

    Finally, China's overall rise, the status of Chinese is also upgrading, which will bring a fundamental impact. Many foreign language cultural products such as books, magazines, news, movies, games and so will provide the Chinese version from the beginning, who would not make money with it? While the Chinese mother tongue, the English can also be comfortable to see than the Chinese characters?

    In short, for the Chinese people, English will gradually become "useless", into a "luxury" and "Dragon of the technology." In fact, there are clues, a lot of highly educated mother hard to learn English the biggest use is to counsel the child English, and even many also worry about their "accent" is not good, even counseling are not - both the case, the future and when how is it?

    If 80,90, or even 00 after hard to learn English can also be used - at least, but also to buy tickets for higher education. But after 10 so into the community are what time? Ten years in the past, after 2030! At that time technology will develop into what? At that time, like this time in 2000, many areas of change beyond imagination. 2000, the other does not say, we use what cell phone? CPU speed how much? How high is the resolution? Network bandwidth geometry?

    Technology development will tear many areas, English applications will be one of them.

    The future does not require two knives level of English, it is meaningless, only the ability to approximate the native language can come in handy. Because no matter how the development of technology, the real importance of the field can not be separated from the kind of real-time, with the temperature of human interaction - go to bars, go play golf, go bath ... ... these occasions you With a translation machine is certainly inappropriate, it is difficult to establish personal feelings of friendship and friendship between the communication.

    This demand, generally only produced in the real elite of all walks of life and cutting-edge areas, such as business sent out to do executives, academics do academic exchanges. The vast majority of ordinary people, because China's own population is enough, the economy is large enough, they exchange people are compatriots every day; daily work is to meet the needs of compatriots; daily entertainment, national film series books The first time there is a Chinese version; go abroad to play a cell phone all get - maybe the phone do not have, because then signs may have Chinese characters, the staff will be Chinese ... ... really need to use English, very few.

    See this, many of my friends may not agree - no more subjects to go, such as mathematics, junior high school and above the content in real life rarely used, can not be used because it does not learn it? Of course not - the scarcity of quality education resources, education needs to bear the screening function. All together from the actual use, simply learn and learn, it may be necessary for the cost of fairness. As a background of the civilian population, I am also the beneficiary of the college entrance examination system, I 100 million in favor of "mathematics and similar subjects" to the selection.

    - But English really does not fit that.

    Mathematics is good for singles. It is an abstract knowledge system, is a very fair subject - talent decision ceiling, to determine the ceiling, spend more money please no matter how good teacher role is limited, everyone has to pay a lot of effort to learn, genius No exception.

    But English is not the same. It is above all a language, and language can be said to be a human "instinct." Thousands of years, human babies do not need to pay deliberate effort to master the mother tongue, ignorance and feel relaxed and happy. This is the case in the mother tongue, and the second language is actually the same. There are many areas of the world's multilingual tradition, for children in these areas, second language and mother tongue is no difference, are unknowingly grasp.

    This is not a secret. In fact, for the Chinese elite (the ruling class and the rich) children, English is not learned, but "born" - Filipino maid, foreign teachers, international schools, American schools ... ... even from the sensible From the English can already get, and become their second language, followed by a horse Pingchuan - class can read novels; examination of what is not the difficulty, purely by feeling the answer can also get high scores; abroad test also mention. The elites do not need to know what SLA is, and since Filipino maids and international schools can solve this problem, I spend money on it.

    And ordinary middle class and to be middle-class children, subject to the public system, the examination system and traditional concepts, still have to repeat the old path of their parents - hard study! For them, English is still a need to struggling to overcome the obstacles, is still an end in the foreseeable long journey - pre-school initiation, the main content is a number of debris and fur, fruit animals singing and dancing; "Learning, back words, learning grammar, and everyone loves the" new concept "; early high school into the test track, do questions, examinations, all for the college entrance examination; into the university, to storm 46; Or not enough, most of the resume can not be brushed off plus a small weight, really want to use it to continue to "learn" ... ...

    "Natural" and "hard to learn" are two completely different path.

    The former to open the Governor of the second pulse to gain strength, then the internal force to control the moves will stick, will come in handy effortlessly. The latter is simple and crude, from the outset on the body, hard training moves, went straight to the "target" away - "because the examination test this. The two usually do not seem to distinguish between, when the real thing is to compete with the present - the former English application freely, live and work entertainment to mention; the latter is tongue-tied: "ah ... ah ... My ... My English is very poor ... "

    The former parents with children to see the original film, discussed in English
    "What kind of story do you think the film is about?"
    "Why did the protagonist make that decision at the time?"
    "If it was you, what would you do?"
    "What is the basis for it?

    The latter parents after school children blocking the corner reprimanded: "how then a few words did not write it down? Say! Just wrong a few! After the wrong wrong! Go home every copy 5 times!" - See, hear the ear. In some parents can participate in lectures in English training classes, this situation every day, can not help but directly in the class began to reprimand, and very common.

    This is like going to a place, the former directly on the plane, all the way singing and laughing; the latter back 100 pounds of weight, on foot.

    English and mathematics are not the same, it is neither "discipline", nor "fair", not suitable for selection. English exam road, and its derivative of the traditional teaching method, has a historical contribution, but the times and technology has changed, then the fifth of the drug of life-saving drugs now has become a malignant tumor, difficult to return, the tail can not afford to eat fatal.

    This is the case, but in another way, this system is actually "effective": the top US universities have deliberately useless Greek as the application conditions, the purpose is to curb more and more Jewish students - white upper class learning The Greek tradition and the ability, while the Jews did not. Let us be straightforward: If the college entrance examination to a very remote dialect set as compulsory subjects, and your baby 3 years old with my grandparents learned very authentic, you will not dream will wake up, and then hope that the system Forever?

    Parents love the child, is far-reaching. This article, of course, is not to persuade you to give up English, but hope you can realize: If the children continue to learn the old way of our hard work, the last is likely to draw a basket empty. Since you want to learn, do not follow the crowd, but to use the most scientific way to learn. When we get rid of the test-oriented pattern, and return to the real needs of the language, we will find another way has always been in sight: the real use-oriented, such as native English acquisition of the road. I call it -

    Natural acquisition of the road.

    I spent seven years exploring this road - teaching a lot of students, tried a lot of teaching methods, read a lot of books, and many parents, wrote dozens of articles, but also specifically to study the Master of Education - - I am more convinced that "natural learning" is the future of English education.

    I will build a community in 2017, with a small partner to go along the natural acquisition of the road, with parent-child English way, so that children within two years that is, a sense of English mother tongue, with the ability to self-development.

    If you want to join us, along the way, please pay attention to the details of the upcoming push it!
  • 周鱼

    2016-12-29 22:06:23 使用道具

    楼主说的有点道理,以前没想到过电脑下围棋能战胜人,现在不也赢了,现在社会发展10年顶过去快100年,10年后怎样还真难说,不能一棵树上吊死,英语悠着点学吧。
  • oranje

    2016-12-29 22:42:56 使用道具

    周鱼 发表于 2016-12-29 15:06
    楼主说的有点道理,以前没想到过电脑下围棋能战胜人,现在不也赢了,现在社会发展10年顶过去快100年,10年 ...

    你会错意了。楼主可没让你悠着点儿学英语。是让你加入他的组织,去自然习得英语。唉!拿自己母语沟通还有这么多歧义,何况外语。
  • xuer304

    2016-12-29 23:35:22 使用道具

    广告贴????
  • high5

    2016-12-30 04:49:16 使用道具

    分析的很好,
    我09 年刚开始混论坛的时候,和你持一致的观点。 这些年,科技日新月异,语音方面的应用以及翻译方面的应用发展的太快了。 虽然现在google 的翻译还不尽人意,但随着大数据,智能等方面科技的深入研发,中英互译会越来越精确的。
    所以,孩子学英语,不要为了学语言而学语言,而是将开发潜力,智能, 思维等结合在一起,让孩子了解其他国家民族的文化,传统,历史。 学习了解同样的问题,别人是如何解决的。。。成为具有国际视野,跨文化,具备良好独立思维能力的人。
  • lavalise

    2016-12-30 08:04:54 使用道具

    该怎么走就怎么走呗。只要英语考试不取消,你就得学。中等成绩也比差强。
  • 晨晨妈

    2016-12-30 08:22:49 使用道具

    昨天也看到这个文章,有些道理,但是也不觉得学不到母语程度就一点价值没有。不说目前应试还是进行,而且学习英语不仅仅是为了沟通,也是为了开阔眼界,了解新的文化。
  • snipeer

    2016-12-30 08:35:00 使用道具

    提示: 作者被禁止或删除 内容自动屏蔽
  • littleair

    2016-12-30 08:43:09 使用道具

    细细听来!
  • xiaomuzi118

    2016-12-30 09:00:04 使用道具

    分析的很好,分析的很好,
  • 和颜悦色

    2016-12-30 09:07:26 使用道具

    为了做广告,真拼啊~,爸妈网的家长都是很爱思考的,这么耸人听闻不怕把人吓跑吗
  • 菜青虫

    楼主 2016-12-30 09:42:19 使用道具

    一句话:有金刚钻敢揽瓷器活。我从10年开始写的几十篇文章都在那,我拍的视频、演的故事也在那,如果真是很爱思考,应该思考事实和逻辑,而不是上来就一棍子。不过,这只是真正广告的预热,喜欢无脑拍砖抡棍子的,准备好吧。
  • 木鱼

    2016-12-30 09:50:20 使用道具

    既然有金刚钻,有母语水平,先去拿了雅思四个9再来做广告吧,更有说服力啊。
  • leochenj

    2016-12-30 09:59:30 使用道具

    又来扯淡招生来了,I 服了 U.
  • 菜青虫

    楼主 2016-12-30 10:01:07 使用道具

    大家有没有想过:其实像这样讨论“英语学习理念与方法”论坛的存在本身,就证明英语教学的发展阶段其实非常初级?像钢琴、奥数、游泳……任何一个成熟的科目,都不会像英语这样,各种摸石头过河,“人人都是老中医”,各种经验贴、偏方、秘籍满天飞。战场上每个活下来的士兵可能都有自己的一点战场经验,但这个经验不能用来指导整个战役。

    语言习得是有普遍规律的,我用七年的时间探索这个问题,先研究理论,现在又将理论落地推出一个适用于绝大多数孩子“普遍解”。有需要的朋友,也不该轻信,孩子的时间宝贵,浪费不起。你应该看我的文章,再看我做的示范课,自己做判断,合则相见欢,不合则相忘于江湖,如是而已。
  • blackwolfdog

    2016-12-30 10:14:40 使用道具

    语言教学不同于其他课程等需要有很强的互动才能有很好的融入习得,楼主可以密切注意虚拟现实VR技术的发展,如果有很好的VR能结合高水平外教,语言教学就可以像其他学科一样远程也可以达到很好的效果,你要是能提前搞定这个事情,你就可以发大财,名利双收。
  • sue_xia

    2016-12-30 10:19:39 使用道具

    看到最后,感觉是篇广告贴
  • Jurlique

    2016-12-30 10:25:00 使用道具

    菜青虫 发表于 2016-12-30 10:01
    大家有没有想过:其实像这样讨论“英语学习理念与方法”论坛的存在本身,就证明英语教学的发展阶段其实非常 ...

    青菜虫老师,我不知道您多大,有没有孩子,孩子多大。总之,看起来你只混英语论坛,没啥需求混别的坛子。您自己只是在英语论坛混才有上面感触。其实,你换个奥数论坛,语文论坛,钢琴论坛,以此类推,大家都在讨论怎么学那些东西,同样自己拿点儿理论就想当将军的小广告一样的多,跟英语论坛毫无差别,奥数则可能更胜一筹。这个论坛上都有说奥数的。不是战场上活下来都能指导战役,同理,赵括读了多少兵书都是纸上谈兵。


    不管以什么角度看,您这篇文章都是年度良心广告。别火冒三丈说别人不看你文章就拍砖。大家都是看到最后深刻认识到这是广告。

    习得不是您的发明,不是您的专利,这个论坛上大家也讨论习得,习得的家庭不仅限于你说的星二代,官二代,富二代。坛子上很多普通家庭也是习得的英语,没有菲佣,没有国际学校也习得了。
    也不用把英语地位拔太高,非得母语水平。语言是个工具,真要到国际舞台上,拼的还是专业能力。除非您是专业作家,哦,对了,莫言得了诺贝尔文学奖,他的书是中文写的。莫迪亚诺是法语,还有很多其他各种非英语获奖者。

  • Jurlique

    2016-12-30 11:16:31 使用道具

    本帖最后由 Jurlique 于 2016-12-30 11:22 编辑

    菜青虫老师,怎么会别的科目都有清晰的路径,就英语没有呢!就说汉语,基础吧,大家母语吧。都有读经派的,大语文的,课内的等等。就是个读经都能有读这个不读那个,先读啥后读啥的争论。还争论是阅读先还是写作先。母语尚且如此,英语作为外语有纠结争论有啥不正常的?

    不是支持习得的就跟你观点一致。我上面就说了,习得不是您的发明,不是您的专利,这个论坛上大家也讨论习得,习得的家庭不仅限于你说的星二代,官二代,富二代。坛子上很多普通家庭也是习得的英语,没有菲佣,没有国际学校,没有外教,没有菜青虫老师也习得了。至于,我看没看过你帖子,你可以猜猜。我只吸收看过的有用的东西,没有用的就断舍离。
  • 菜青虫

    楼主 2016-12-30 12:12:20 使用道具

    你信不信我无所谓,但问题本身是真实存在的,事实摆在那里,趋势汤汤,势不可挡。
  • MamaGo

    2016-12-30 13:18:56 使用道具

    菜青虫 发表于 2016-12-30 10:01
    大家有没有想过:其实像这样讨论“英语学习理念与方法”论坛的存在本身,就证明英语教学的发展阶段其实非常 ...



    菜青蟲老師好!

    您說的
    有效率學習到運用自如的英文,
    在孩子小學畢業之前,
    大約要花多少多少小時
    上課+練習?
    謝謝您!

  • sandyvanho

    2016-12-30 14:08:13 使用道具

    自然习得也就这十年以内比较流行吧,大家还处于摸石头走路不是很正常吗? 等真正自然习得的人大学毕业了,后面的大部队上来了,路线办法自然就清晰很多。菜青虫老师是近十年自然习得的第一批 ?
  • kingsflying

    2016-12-30 15:17:35 使用道具

    就算是广告贴,也支持楼主。如果一种产品或者教学能将大众引往正确的方向,这样的宣传越多越好。
  • Sunshine82

    2016-12-31 07:45:17 使用道具

    本帖最后由 Sunshine82 于 2016-12-31 07:53 编辑

    学英语最好的方法就是从小在国外长大啊,或者上国际学校!不同的家庭提供不同的条件,走不同的路。那么经验贴都是在摸索适合自己家庭的学习道路,没有包治百病的良药!
  • kittywang1983

    2016-12-31 09:29:28 使用道具

    我绝对支持自然习处
    得,但不得不说,在一般环境下,孩子越听话还是越容易习得语言。因为再习得也有学的成分。比如跟读,朗读。我家不听话,效果肯定就不如听话的孩子好。
  • chinesecod

    2016-12-31 12:16:45 使用道具

    就是个广告。
  • Lucie

    2016-12-31 12:24:38 使用道具



    时代确实在改变,振臂一呼大众响应的盛况少见了,即使摇着理论和实践的大旗。
    如果这真的是个探讨学英语的初级论坛,可能情况就不同了。
    芸芸大众听得太多,见得太多,做得太多,辨识力自然提高了。