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本帖最后由 laphaer 于 2012-4-14 18:22 编辑

因为龙利鱼没有刺,所以,我家给宝宝包饺子主要用它,想来吃了一阵子了,可是,最近,总是说污染什么的,我就想查查这种鱼是深海还是什么的,一查不要紧,吓了一跳,我看到了这个
Don’t Eat this fish: Pangas (Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, White Catfish, Gray Sole)
别吃这种鱼!



Cheap cheap fish! The above is an ad (from one of the large supermarket chains in France) for the fish known as Pangas (also called, Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, Basa Fish and White Catfish, Tra, Gray Sole). It was a reminder to tell you about the dangers of this strange but increasingly popular fish. I learned about them and how they’re raised a while ago on an informative documentary online here: Documentary about Pangas. (which is in French. If you don’t speak French, read below.)

便宜的鱼啊!上面的是个有名的法国超市的广告,大家把这种鱼叫做龙利鱼。要提醒一下大家,吃这种奇怪却日益流行的鱼是很危险的!我在一个网站上发现了它们的养殖环境。

Would the French call it Poisson ou poison?

Industrially farmed in Vietnam along the Mekong River, Pangas or whatever they’re calling it, has only been recently introduced to the French market. However, in a very short amount of time, it has grown in popularity in France. The French are slurping up Pangas like it’s their last meal of soup noodles. They are very, very affordable (cheap), are sold in filets with no bones and they have a neutral (bland) flavor and texture; many would compare it to cod and sole, only much cheaper. But as tasty as some people may find it, there’s, in fact, something hugely unsavory about it. I hope the information provided here will serve as very important information for you and your future choices. Here’s why I think it is better left in the shops (and not on your dinner plates):
龙利鱼是在越南的湄公河里养殖的。最近才引进入法国,却一下子变得很受欢迎。法国人疯了一样的抢购它。这种鱼很便宜,而且鱼排没有骨头,味道也很可以接受。很多人觉得它吃起来像鳕鱼或比目鱼,价格却便宜一大截。下面的信息很重要,希望能影响到你和你未来的选择,最好让这些鱼就留在商店里,而不是你的餐桌上

1. Pangas are teeming with high levels of poisons and bacteria. (industrial effluents, arsenic, and toxic and hazardous by-products of the growing industrial sector, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), DDT and its metabolites (DDTs), metal contaminants, chlordane-related compounds (CHLs), hexachlorocyclohexane isomers (HCHs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB)). The reasons are that the Mekong River is one of the most polluted rivers on the planet and this is where pangas are farmed and industries along the river dump chemicals and industrial waste directly into it. To Note: a friend lab tests these fish and tells us to avoid eating them due to high amounts of contamination. Regardless of the reports and recommendations against selling them, the supermarkets still sell them to the general public knowing they are contaminated.
龙利鱼包含高浓度的毒素和细菌(工业污染,生长在越南工业区,各种化学药品和金属都在那条河里)。越南的湄公河是地球上污染最严重的地方,而龙利鱼就长在这里。河岸边的工厂直接往河里倾倒各种化学和工业废料。注意:一个朋友的实验室做过龙利鱼的实验,发现里面高污染。问题是,虽然大众都知道这鱼是被污染的,而超市仍然在卖。
2. They freeze Pangas in contaminated river water. Ew.用来冷冻龙利鱼的水也是受了污染的河水。
3. Pangas are not environmentally sustainable, a most unsustainable food you could possibly eat – “Buy local” means creating the least amount of environmental harm as possible. This is the very opposite end of the spectrum of sustainable consumerism. Pangas are raised in Vietnam. Pangas are fed food that comes from Peru (more on that below), their hormones (which are injected into the female Pangas) come from China. (More about that below) and finally, they are transported from Vietnam to France. That’s not just a giant carbon foot print, that’s a carbon continent of a foot print.
龙利鱼不环保。估计能是最不环保的东西了。--大家要多吃当地食物。龙利鱼长在越南,而吃的东西却来自秘鲁,激素来自帝国。然后再运输到法国。这得排放多少的碳啊。
4. There’s nothing natural about Pangas – They’re fed dead fish remnants and bones, dried and ground into a flour, from South America, manioc (cassava) and residue from soy and grains. This kind of nourishment doesn’t even remotely resemble what they eat in nature. But what it does resemble is the method of feeding mad cows (cows were fed cows, remember?) What they feed pangas is completely unregulated so there are most likely other dangerous substances and hormones thrown into the mix. The pangas grow at a speed light (practically!): 4 times faster than in nature…so it makes you wonder what exactly is in their food? Your guess is as good as mine.
龙利鱼的生长是反自然的。他们用死鱼来喂龙利鱼。(疯牛病不就是用牛肉喂牛而产生的么。)
5. Pangas are Injected with Hormones Derived from Urine – I don’t know how someone came up with this one out but they’ve discovered that if they inject female Pangas with hormones made from the dehydrated urine of pregnant women, the female Pangas grow much quicker and produce eggs faster (one Panga can lay approximately 500,000 eggs at one time). Essentially, they’re injecting fish with hormones (they come all of the way from a pharmaceutical company in China) to speed up the process of growth and reproduction. That isn’t good. Some of you might not mind eating fish injected with dehydrated pee so if you don’t good for you, but just consider the rest of the reasons to NOT eat it.
龙利鱼的激素来自尿。不知人们怎么有的这个注意,但是他们发现如果往母的龙利鱼身体里注射怀孕女人的尿提取出的激素的话,母鱼能长得更快,繁殖更快。一只龙利鱼每次能有五十万个卵。
6. You get what you pay for – and then some. Don’t be lured in by insanely cheap price of Pangas. Is it worth risking your health and the health of your family?
一分钱一分货。
7. Buying Pangas supports unscrupulous, greedy evil corporations and food conglomerates that don’t care about the health and well-being of human beings. They only are concerned about selling as many pangas as possible to unsuspecting consumers. These corporations only care about selling and making more money at whatever cost to the public.8. Pangas will make you sick – If (for reasons in #1 above) you don’t get immediately ill with vomiting, diarrhea and effects from severe food poisoning, congratulations, you have an iron stomach! But you’re still ingesting POISON not poisson.Final important note: Because of the prodigious amount of availability of Pangas, be warned that they will certainly find their way into other foods: surimi (those pressed fish things, imitation crab sticks), fish sticks, fish terrines, and probably in some pet foods. (Warn your dogs and cats and hamsters and gerbils and even your pet fish!)
购买龙利鱼就鼓励了奸商。
Watch this Report on Pangas (in French) (Video excerpt from Capitale on M6, which aired about 3 months ago)


希望不用翻墙的爸妈们也来说说哈!

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  • damazaoxing

    2012-4-11 16:41:52 使用道具

    龙利鱼是什么鱼?
  • laphaer

    楼主 2012-4-11 16:43:16 使用道具

    本帖最后由 laphaer 于 2012-4-11 16:45 编辑

    看不到图片的可以去这里看下
    转自一个养生网站:http://www.dietmindspirit.org/20 ... -catfish-gray-sole/

    在百度找不到“龙利鱼”有害的消息。在谷歌有,必应也有,但全是要翻墙才能打开的网页,不翻墙打不开。可能保护现在超市还在卖的?
  • 娃爱的墨墨

    2012-4-11 16:45:42 使用道具

    没吃过这种鱼
  • cyycxhy

    2012-4-11 16:52:03 使用道具

    超市里有卖的,我还专门买过一次。
  • penpen

    2012-4-11 16:55:48 使用道具

    这鱼很油的,不喜欢吃。我们家买银鳕鱼吃
  • 老李微播

    2012-4-11 17:02:31 使用道具

    经常吃这种鱼,我们带孩子在海边玩,看渔民的渔网里还捕到过这种鱼,当时那个渔民师傅还送给孩子玩,鱼不大我们还拿小桶装海水跟孩子说送小鱼回到大海的家里吧,鱼爸爸和鱼妈妈会着急的。这里的沃尔玛超市经常卖,好像产地是广东的,因为经常见,刚开始买时还问怎么吃,超市工作人员还教了一下做法,因为做法简单又没刺,所以经常买,产地我下次注意用心记一下。
  • rylan

    2012-4-11 17:05:17 使用道具

    天了,我家女儿最喜欢吃这种鱼了,我家每周必吃{:soso_e118:}
  • jintianma

    2012-4-11 17:06:34 使用道具

    自大日本那么一闹,我们吃海鲜的次数减少了许多,我常用鳕鱼包水饺
  • damazaoxing

    2012-4-11 17:22:28 使用道具

    还是没看明白是什么鱼,个头不小啊,好像没有吃过
  • 云卷云舒2

    2012-4-11 17:30:25 使用道具

    虽然没看清楚是什么鱼,还是多谢提醒了!
  • laphaer

    楼主 2012-4-11 17:40:55 使用道具

    娃爱的墨墨 发表于 2012-4-11 16:45
    没吃过这种鱼

    没吃过最好了



  • laphaer

    楼主 2012-4-11 17:41:30 使用道具

    vivianzhw2 发表于 2012-4-11 16:47
    是不是就是鳎目鱼。

    好像是有人说是这个名字的

  • laphaer

    楼主 2012-4-11 17:42:59 使用道具

    cyycxhy 发表于 2012-4-11 16:52
    超市里有卖的,我还专门买过一次。

    吃一次应该没什么影响,我家吃了好多次了都,后怕,怎么没早查一下呢?唉




  • 七七未央

    2012-4-11 19:49:47 使用道具

    额滴神哎,图片和文字看起来很恶心哎,偶们貌似木有吃过,俺们山区不怎么见海鲜滴!
  • 菜根儿2009

    2012-4-11 20:10:17 使用道具

    我们也吃过几回,不是经常吃
  • qhhu226

    2012-4-11 22:35:55 使用道具

    么吃过,奇奇怪怪的鱼 一般偶家都不吃

    自从22过敏鼻炎,海鲜不能吃,
    目前也就吃吃挪威三文鱼了,作孽~~~
  • friday1103

    2012-4-11 22:44:15 使用道具

    我家也是经常吃。郁闷得要死。。。。。
  • hb可可2007

    2012-4-11 23:00:55 使用道具

    头一次听说。也不大爱吃鱼。做鱼一直是我的弱项。
  • shily

    2012-4-12 01:56:52 使用道具

    本帖最后由 shily 于 2012-4-12 01:59 编辑

    我家吃这鱼~~~看得我怕怕~~~

    搜了一下,以下是我在网上搜到的~~~

    1. http://www.ava.gov.sg/FoodSector ... the+Pangas+Fish.htm

    Debunking Myths on the "Pangas" Fish

    The story, "Don’t Eat this fish: Pangas" circulated since 30 January 2008, is a gross distortion of facts.  It is not true that Vietnamese catfish available in international markets contain high levels of "poisons and bacteria", injected with hormone or frozen in contaminated water.  Vietnamese catfish are widely sold internationally under different names in different countries, eg "Basa" in USA, "Pangas" in France and "Sutchi" in Singapore.  AVA's tests on sutchi fillets have found them safe for human consumption. There has been no report of any illness from consuming this fish.  The only problem we have encountered is excessive water added. Vietnamese factories tend to add too much water in the fish. This results in the heavy loss of weight after cooking.  To protect consumers’ interest, AVA requires sutchi fillet marketed in Singapore to carry a label stating the net weight (ie the weight of the fish excluding added water).

    注:AVA 是新加坡一个政府机构,他们检测的结论是——进口新加坡的鱼没有问题


    2. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2009/04/a_fish_called_river_cobbler.html

    Watchdog has had several emails about a fish called river cobbler which is on sale at Asda and Tesco. It's also on sale at Sainsbury's where it's called basa. It comes from Vietnam and its proper name is pangasius.
    Some of you looked it up on the internet because you'd never heard of it before, and came across all sorts of horror stories claiming it's fill of toxins, such as arsenic, toxic metals and harmful pesticides.
    Lauren Antony from Lanarkshire emailed us to see if we could investigate this further and enlighten the nation, so we had a go.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                
    Five tests
    We sent a fish we bought in Asda to a lab, where the scientists did five tests to see if they could find some of the things the internet reports suggested they would.
    The lab told us they couldn't find detectable levels of any of those substances - which to all intent and purposes mean they weren't there.
    Now, as we only tested one fish, we can't say the scare stories are a load of cobblers - but we found no reason why anyone should worry.
    The supermarkets say they've done plenty of their own research too, and maintain that they wouldn't sell any product that they weren't confident in anyway.

    注:BBC送检的一条鱼没有发现任何问题。


    3. http://www.chefs-resources.com/Is-Vietnamese-Swai-and-Basa-Safe

    这篇太长,就不贴了,主要说这个故事是美国本土渔业为提高竞争力的宣传手段~~~


                                                         
    仁者见仁,智者见智,吃不吃这鱼啊,还是各家自己看着办~~~
  • xinxin妈

    2012-4-12 08:21:09 使用道具

    没吃过这种鱼,确切说都没听过
  • sucyxy

    2012-4-12 08:43:28 使用道具

    没看到过这种鱼..最后一张图片......有点吓人.
  • yinhao9678

    2012-4-12 08:56:11 使用道具

    没吃过,也没听说过。不过其中的一个论据觉得有问题。拿鱼吃鱼和牛吃牛作类比,应该不具可比性吧。牛是草食类动物,给牛喂肉已经违反了自然规律。但是很多大型鱼天生就是肉食性的,大鱼吃小鱼在自然界也是很平常的事情。不能说牛吃牛会得病,所以鱼吃鱼也会得病吧。
  • 雁过寒潭

    2012-4-12 09:16:51 使用道具

    路过,给自己提个醒,谢谢信息提供,反正啥东西不能太过较真。你敢说鱼排那些加工品就不是用它冒充的?!所以说还是就近取材的好。唉。
  • cff3726

    2012-4-12 10:08:57 使用道具

    真是无法想象啊,现在还有啥是可以吃的了?
  • alison

    2012-4-12 10:35:18 使用道具

    谢谢楼主,我们应该是没吃过这种鱼,不过以后真的要多注意了
  • 荷叶连田田

    2012-4-12 10:55:38 使用道具

    看着挺可怕,我家好像没吃过这种鱼。
  • 程至开

    2012-4-12 11:20:37 使用道具

    这就究竟是什么鱼,没弄清楚,真急人{:soso_e117:}


    程至开于2012-4-12 11:25补充以下内容:
    刚到百度上看了,我们家吃过,炸着吃
  • huangliang

    2012-4-12 11:35:26 使用道具

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  • 忱忱妈

    2012-4-12 12:37:17 使用道具

    我们没吃过